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On tour with Moonspell are German metaller Kreator. The former thrashers probably lost some fans with their latest release Endorama. So I took the chance to talk with Mille about the album, the tour and other stuff...
Your album is out for quite a while. I think, Endorama was for many people a kinda shock! Not for me, it's different and I like it, but I think many old Kreator fans probably have a problem with your latest release.
I talked to some of the old fans, but there are always two sides of everything. On one side there are the ones who wants us to do another album like Pleasure To Kill and others are happy with what we are doing. It's a conflicting situation. As soon as we become a band everyone loves, it would be boring.
You should do what you want and not what the fans may expect!
That's right, but not at all, coz the fans made the band big and so we should always do metal. But the kind of metal we do, shall be up to us. I think that as long we like what we're doing and as long as it's a musical challenge to do, to do metal and as long as we have fun, it's okay! You are right that it shall be fun for us, if it ain't the people won't believe us. We can't pretend to have fun without people notice that we are not really into it. There are other bands reproach us to become commercial, but if we wanted to be a commercial band, we would have released a true metal album! A true metal album is nowadays commercially successful and we didn't do that! Commercial... I hate this word, coz as soon as you sold one copy, you are commercial! The people who use this word, shall take a look into a dictionary to find out about the real meaning!
A while ago I talked with Johan Edlund of Tiamat and he said that he doesn't care about the amount of sold copies, he wants that people listen to his music and that it's okay for him if people burn themselves the CD! That's a statement the label hates, coz they need to make money to keep everything going and also Johan needs money for living...
I think that's.... I can't agree! I never let someone burn a CD for me and I'll never do it. As soon as I do that.... Okay, let me say it that way... It's a conflict. On one hand I'm totally against CD burning, but on the other hand I think that CDs are too expensive. I don't buy CDs anymore! I buy once a month a CD. I can't afford to support every newcomer band and spend about 20,- Euro for their CD. I don't want to be disappointed. I have to do a selection like everybody who buy CDs. I think the record companies have to find a way to make it possible to sell CDs for less money. CDs are a lot cheaper to produce than vinyl! In my opinion it's just a question of the profit margin. The want to make as much profit as possible and so the fans started burning CDs. Especially the CD sales of newcomer bands are going down and at the end these bands won't have the possibility to record an album which means that there won't be any newcomers one day! You should think about it carefully, if you let burn a CD... It's a conflicting situation! I think CDs shall be sold for about 10,- Euro! Then the CD burning thing would be going down again.
A few years ago there been the shops where you can rent CDs and listen to them at home. Sometimes I listened to a CD one time and bought it. Sometimes I taped the CD and listened a few times, afterwards I decided to buy the CD or taped something else. Personally I would burn a CD, if it's something I listen to probably once every 6 months, coz that is something I won't buy. If it's something I really like, I buy the album! As long as it is that way, I think it's okay. But many people burn everything and don't buy any CD. That's going too far! But that depends on the CD prices and the economical situation.
Right, but the economical situation isn't that worse! It's the CD price! CDs are too expensive, 20,- Euro is way too much! In the past you got 3 vinyl albums for the same amount of money. I think you remember that days... And it was more beautiful! And the artwork! Not such a tiny thing... I think it's unfair to take that much money for a CD!
Especially for the young fans who don't have that much money and these fans are important, coz otherwise the scene would get smaller and would probably die...
Right!
If the people can't afford to pay for a concert ticket and a CD, then there is something wrong! People want to see a band live and the bands want to play live, but that become more and more difficult these days.
I agree. That's a vicious circle! We have to see how it'll develop in future. It can get better or it's getting worse, we have to wait and see....
Your advantage is that you are established in the metal community and if it's going down, it won't hit you as hard as a newcomer band.
Right! Anyway, it's not good and as soon as it hurts the financial situation of a record company it'll do damage on the metal scene, too. Bands will be dropped or never get a chance.
An the other side I think that this genre became to big. In the 80's, when you started there were just a handful of bands and you were looking forward to get the new album of your favourite bands and to see them live. Today there are too many bands... It's impossible to know all the new acts and I think that you'll recognize at this tour that there are Moonspell fans who just new your name, coz they are not into the kind of music you've done in the past. Probably they get into the band with Endorama, but the differ sound of the new album, I guess, influences the old songs live...
We still sound very heavy, very hard and the new songs are harder live than on the album, but... I think people try to see a bigger difference as there is. Endorama is still a Kreator album and there are still the typical elements from the 80's which we used all the time. I don't want to see it as breaking free from our former style, it's more a modification of our sound.
Probably it's because the fans usually are not as open-minded as the bands...
That was always our problem. The fans had to expect strange things, surprises since we released Renewal. They didn't accept it, but why? Why don't they accept it? I know that the fans don't like this developing thing, but I see other bands, bands which aren't develop. Personally I get bored after a while, if a band doesn't develop. This conservative basic idea, I can't stand anymore! This wish to bring the old days back and the wish of a reunion of a band like VOTUM or VECTOR. These bands haven't been relevant in the 80's and they will never be these days.
These days everyone tries to do a reunion or re-releases the old albums with a bonus track...
That's bullshit, there is no need for! And that makes it even more complicated to survive these days. Today's society wants to consume everything and the industry offers more and more, but at the end the fan has to select and the scene will shrink. So the record companies who just release crap will be dying... You are into this scene for a longer period and you know that there been a lot of companies which doesn't exist anymore.
It's going in circles... There are the major companies and the ones of the midfield like GUN or Noise Records and the small independent once which come and go. Just a very few of these can exist for several years.
Right! It's not difficult to do an album, but to do a good one ain't easy. And many of these small labels release bands which don't have the musical substance to make it.
Back to touring... This time you're not the headliner. In the past you did headlining tours....
It's a double header!
I think so, too.
I don't care in which position we play. Some nights it was an advantage to be on stage early and not to headline. People have to catch the trains or have to leave early due to other reasons. When we toured with a package of 4 bands, I envied the band how played at third! This time we are this band and it's great!
I had the impression that you all get along pretty good and I think that makes it a lot easier...
Right. But I don't care which band play after us! The people who want to see us, will come anyway.
For some this might be a problem...
Never been for me!
Perhaps that changed during the years....
No, I never cared about. We did a tour with VOIVOD and at that tour we switched the headlining position every night. There were a tour with Morbid Angel where we played first, but that's not important for us. As long as we get the same space on stage and the same lights, etc...
As long as they treat you correctly and don't try to put you down.
Right! Same sound, same lights and that we can use our light effects which became a trademark for us, than it's okay! No problem!
That's cool! What are the plans for Kreator afterwards this tour?
Afterwards we'll go to Moscow and probably some festivals this summer. Then there probably will be the time to sign a new contract and record a new album.
So you take you time...
Absolutely!
You're no more in the situation to deliver an album each year.
I think it's not good to release an album every year, coz the quality won't be as high as it'll be when you take your time.
Do you see a difference in the reactions since fans use the internet? Because it's easier to write an email and much faster...
I see, I visit the different web pages and there I read what they think and what they think about our develop, etc. It's cool, it's more real.
I think the difference is that you easier write something then to fling it into a persons face.
Right! Internet is accessible for everyone, so...
Do you have an official homepage?
No, but there are enough fan pages.
So you don't want to change this?
Not now. We don't have the time to take care of and we haven't found someone we trust and who can do it.
Probably one of the fan pages will become official one day....
The fan pages are really good, they don't need our support! A few are killer! Probably we'll put their URLs at the coming album...
That's probably the best thing...
But we all have to wait and see... Kreator is a band which is part of the German metal scene and even if they take a time off and return at the end of the year or in 2001, it doesn't matter. Probably it'll be a surprise again, probably they stick to what they are doing now. Anyway, it's worth listening! Personally I like their new sound and I would welcome a developing in that direction, but probably they'll sound differ again. Expect the unexpected from Kreator!
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